kelsielee

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Atlanta
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 3:05:10 PM
Strange commentary. Although very few are fans of big oil, just as few are fans of corn ethanol. Trying to get support for one position by blaming the other "villan" may not work when the position (in this case support for corn ethanol) is so unpopular.
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eddmac

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Washington
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 4:40:16 PM
I think the author is right, to much wrong with reasoning. A big AND is Big Oil is funding this sham. I feel smoke and mirrors at play here.
[Edited by: eddmac at 3/12/2010 6:41:21 PM EST]
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BEngr

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Illinois
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 2:38:52 PM
This article doesn't make much sense, because indirect land use is not the major problem. Big oil has a vested interest in any research that deflect the attention away from them.
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Kato51

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Atlanta
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 2:07:14 PM
Looks like we are injecting a little humor into our analysis. Lets keep the food on the table where it belongs.
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rippertoo

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Tacoma
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 1:51:17 PM
What did they say?
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Rajah

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Illinois
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 1:49:40 PM
Forget Ethanol from food crops or from crops grown in land that could be used for actual food crops.
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1Casey

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Albany
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 1:47:59 PM
Rain forest - Corn ?
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Gassed01

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Toronto
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 1:46:58 PM
No more ethanol. Fuel for food is wrong. Ethanol is not a net energy saver.
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esquared

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Oklahoma City
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 1:40:28 PM
No more subsidies for fuel from food.
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RobRD

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Alberta
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 1:39:40 PM
So what.
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Jeeputtputt

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Michigan
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 1:39:20 PM
What???????????
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MahopacJack

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New York
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 1:36:00 PM
While the paper may have a bias to any result, it is up front about it.
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katmandue

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Detroit
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 1:32:09 PM
Anything to keep the oil flowing.
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suzyq2007

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Dallas
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 1:31:35 PM
does this really make any sense
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Bubba44612

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Ohio
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 1:30:39 PM
Give us a clean energy or is that too hard?
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2granny

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Michigan
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 1:29:02 PM
No way.
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JMJarvis1952

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Houston
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 1:28:19 PM
I agree with Tekkie
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snofog

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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 1:28:10 PM
Amazing.
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TRAIN RIDER

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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 1:27:23 PM
CUTTING DOWN THE RAIN FOREST IS ALSO NOT A GOOD IDEA. WHEN WE LOG AN AREA WE THEN REPLANT TREES SO IT WILL STAY A FOREST. THEY ARE NOT REPLANTING.
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arnerator

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Seattle
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 1:27:14 PM
Get rid of ethanol
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Dennisjk

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Detroit
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 1:19:25 PM
I agree with Texasvet.
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texasvet

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Texas
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 1:16:40 PM
Another propaganda piece by an author who admits in the article that he's completely unqualified to comment. Typical leftist enviro-whacko pap.
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Fencemaker

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Pittsburgh
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 1:14:12 PM
Big Oil has been making these kinds of plays for years. They'll do anything to retain their crown in the transportation fueling business.
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OldMan322

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Illinois
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 1:10:27 PM
Oh yes !!! an oil company smoke screen
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sailormon

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Michigan
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 1:07:59 PM
So this is Big Oil propaganda.
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tc316

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Twin Cities
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 1:07:28 PM
Baloney
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julius1st4

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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 1:01:12 PM
What's the point of this article. When a tree falls in the forest; I just hope that I'm not in it's way. If it's not too hard to get at; then, I'll cut it up and take it home for "Firewood"
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ReadyWriter

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Columbus
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 12:40:54 PM
If a tree falls in the forest, whether anyone hears it or not, some day someone will find this a good reason to raise oil prices.
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outlaw329

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Austin
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 12:37:36 PM
Not interested.
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FordF2502001

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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 12:31:48 PM
If corn based ethanol is bad I assume bio waste ethanol will be just as bad for mileage or engines. So ethanol is dead. Next up is solar which leaves me wanting more mileage. Wind doesn't always blow. Water doesn't flow everywhere. Nuclear waste keeps new plants from coming online. Algae is replacing catfish in ponds in Mississippi. Conservation is the last one standing until the next new energy source is viable. Humm???
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OHMS

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Orange County
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 12:29:21 PM
research papers burn; hence are alternate fuels; @ this point I suspect oil isn't hot to advertise successes.
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tarheelcoastie

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Greensboro
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 12:27:07 PM
Interesting!
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Hugo40

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Kentucky
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 12:26:13 PM
The pharmaceutical companies also fund research that shows their products in a good light so it's an old game.
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diatzikis

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Raleigh
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 12:26:08 PM
Bad idea
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aarrrt

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San Diego
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 12:24:54 PM
Not shocking information but enough of the corn ethanol already. It's not the answer.
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ricker8

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Ontario
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 12:23:54 PM
here we go
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Buck_on_Bass

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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 12:21:29 PM
A year or so ago, an article on GasBuddy discussed the results of a University of Minnesota research study that concluded that ethanol from corn was more costly to the environmentally than oil. The study looked at the total production chain along with cutting forests and clearing land for producing more food for people to make up for the corn used for ethanol.
As for the integrity of the research, the last time I checked, Minnesota was primarily an agricultural state so I doubt this was a 'big oil' bought result. Congress refuses to look at the total cost of the ethanol program because farm interests vote and give money to candidates.
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justinoles

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Orlando
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 12:19:31 PM
Ethanol is bad. Stop the subsidies and it will fall...
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Sealer

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Charleston
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 12:16:42 PM
Corn ethanol is neither economically viabe nor ecologically helpful.
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SVmike

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California
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 12:13:35 PM
seerlv: "The oil companies have killed off competition for years through price manipulation and political donations. They will continue those efforts in the future to be sure. "
Yes, everything is a conspiracy. Like those 100 mpg carburetor patents in the 1970's. Big oil bought all the patents to prevent them from coming to market. If these things existed, don't you think that someone would find some of these "expired" patents, build the device and make a killing on them. Or a car company would make a car with it?
Yes, I'm sure that everyone funds research that is in their best interest. But who does the research? Lots of it is done in colleges where the boots on the ground are students with no real self interest except to get a good grade and publish a paper impressive enough to get them hired. And even if they faked the results another student would likely know it was wrong a publish the opposite finding for their research.
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Dipstick1

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Amarillo
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 12:13:09 PM
Surprise, surprise.
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ladyaglow

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Atlanta
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 12:12:56 PM
ignore it and drill baby drill.
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goldilox88

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Montreal
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 12:09:14 PM
Same old. Same old.
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danny999

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Florida
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 12:05:30 PM
TAKE YOUR ETHENOL AND LET THE CONGRESSMAN PUT IT IN THEIR CARS....
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mmene

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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 12:04:20 PM
FordF2502001 - so are you suggesting that ethanol based on food sources is the only alternative to oil? Well if you want to know what I propose to do, it is any combination of: - Ethanol from biowaste - Solar - Wind - Tidal power - Nuclear - Hydroelectric - Other innovative projects like fast growing algae (which are probably really just variants of other techniques mentioned) - Conservation so we use less energy per capita
Since it will take decades for oil to run out this gives us plenty of time to figure out the winners from these and gradually transition. We probably will use either electricity or fuel cells for storing energy in vehicles, it is too early to say which. But it is absurd to think that our only alternative is to use food sources for energy and compromise world food security.
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rimpyCA

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Los Angeles
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 12:01:41 PM
use renewables
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hblee

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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 12:01:38 PM
Those who make decisions or speculations do not put common sense to good use.
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Bleeder

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Virginia
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 11:58:23 AM
Unfortunately those with the common sense are not making the laws these days. You people elected the man and now (unfortunately) we all have to live with him.
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reeko

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Dallas
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 11:55:11 AM
more typical biofuel moonbattery from moonbats. somebody needs to put a "big oil" carbon footprint on their backsides. carbon footprint indeed. how silly.
"Drill here. Drill now. Dig coal. Build nukes."
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byoftDad

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Columbus
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 11:53:51 AM
Some time the effervescence of the author over shadows their meaning and when they publish their article with personal ideas and myths they soon loose the meaning of the subject in an array of words that mean little or nothing and they continue to write regardless of this misrepresentation and produce a topic far from the reality of the universe and far beyond the comprehension of mere mortals. This article holds true to these principals.
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